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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/dear-imagined-readers/comment-page-2/#comment-45207</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)
I find the whole South-Asian identity somewhat silly too (though if it works for others, so be it). What&#039;s interesting is that the majority of South Asians are Indians (or ABCDs of Indian origin - I think the C is very apt ; ) ) - and taking the lead (big brother) - with very few members of other SA countries being part of the mix. Seems to me that both the left and the right have the same dream, though one calls it a South Asian confederation (is chachaji still posting at SM? I stopped visiting that forum a long time ago) and the other &lt;i&gt;akhand bharat&lt;/i&gt;. Go figure.

And the fact that there may be some commonality in how people look and the food we eat has little to do with other deeper political and social issues, where there are major differences - conveniently ignored by the South Asians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I find the whole South-Asian identity somewhat silly too (though if it works for others, so be it). What&#8217;s interesting is that the majority of South Asians are Indians (or ABCDs of Indian origin &#8211; I think the C is very apt ; ) ) &#8211; and taking the lead (big brother) &#8211; with very few members of other SA countries being part of the mix. Seems to me that both the left and the right have the same dream, though one calls it a South Asian confederation (is chachaji still posting at SM? I stopped visiting that forum a long time ago) and the other <i>akhand bharat</i>. Go figure.</p>
<p>And the fact that there may be some commonality in how people look and the food we eat has little to do with other deeper political and social issues, where there are major differences &#8211; conveniently ignored by the South Asians.</p>
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		<title>By: Alankrita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alankrita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am talking about nomenclature.. not Indian community in the west, east or any place... Just using your simile to explain but as confusedly muddling everything..
can e forget this happened- the whole talk? please.. for my sanity please...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am talking about nomenclature.. not Indian community in the west, east or any place&#8230; Just using your simile to explain but as confusedly muddling everything..<br />
can e forget this happened- the whole talk? please.. for my sanity please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alankrita,

Let&#039;s be clear here. You are talking Indian community in the West or raising a question about India it self?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alankrita,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear here. You are talking Indian community in the West or raising a question about India it self?</p>
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		<title>By: Alankrita</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/dear-imagined-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-45139</link>
		<dc:creator>Alankrita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nopes confused, my point was there is no such weird beast as the South Asian community just as there is no beast as the Indian community. Should have typed it all out.
Oh the tales I could tell about the getting of said passport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nopes confused, my point was there is no such weird beast as the South Asian community just as there is no beast as the Indian community. Should have typed it all out.<br />
Oh the tales I could tell about the getting of said passport.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivek,

Of course. How people choose to place themselves is their business. Nevertheless, the point I was trying to make (I guess) that this South Asian community business is based on sharing a common heritage/skin color/interests e.t.c I don&#039;t quite see the &#039;&#039;common&#039;&#039; there. Despite that, if people wish to organize themselves without acting as spokesperson of Indian interest, then my problem if merely academic. Though, it seldom happens, I would argue, that it does not extent into oh, why are Indians and Pakistanis fighting--we are all the same. 

Pat, 

Mild objection: I would think that those of us who take interest in American politics have a far greater knowledge of American politics than SM has of its Indian version. Though I would agree, it may not extend to deep insight about gubernatorial or local elections. 

Alankrita,

When did I talk about Indian Community? I am pretty diffident to Indian community anyways. And I already have an Indian passport--hard as it was to get. Blame Overlord! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek,</p>
<p>Of course. How people choose to place themselves is their business. Nevertheless, the point I was trying to make (I guess) that this South Asian community business is based on sharing a common heritage/skin color/interests e.t.c I don&#8217;t quite see the &#8221;common&#8221; there. Despite that, if people wish to organize themselves without acting as spokesperson of Indian interest, then my problem if merely academic. Though, it seldom happens, I would argue, that it does not extent into oh, why are Indians and Pakistanis fighting&#8211;we are all the same. </p>
<p>Pat, </p>
<p>Mild objection: I would think that those of us who take interest in American politics have a far greater knowledge of American politics than SM has of its Indian version. Though I would agree, it may not extend to deep insight about gubernatorial or local elections. </p>
<p>Alankrita,</p>
<p>When did I talk about Indian Community? I am pretty diffident to Indian community anyways. And I already have an Indian passport&#8211;hard as it was to get. Blame Overlord! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrix: Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to explain that. For now.

(Okay, that should tell you pretty much all that you need to know)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrix: Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to explain that. For now.</p>
<p>(Okay, that should tell you pretty much all that you need to know)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Vivek Overlord, why is your blog protected and inaccessible?</description>
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		<title>By: Patrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Vivek mentions, the debate of India and Pakistan sharing a common South Asia heritage is off-topic and you must agree that ABDs may find much in common with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. I think SM is addressing that and not anything to do with politics in India. I do find their posts on politics in India lacking as you say but then I never read SM for opinions on Indian politics; we have plenty other excellent blogs for that. SM posting about Indian politics is like us writing about American politics - merely curious observations and personal opinions. SM is clearly an American blog with brown hues so why do others confuse them for being Indian is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Vivek mentions, the debate of India and Pakistan sharing a common South Asia heritage is off-topic and you must agree that ABDs may find much in common with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. I think SM is addressing that and not anything to do with politics in India. I do find their posts on politics in India lacking as you say but then I never read SM for opinions on Indian politics; we have plenty other excellent blogs for that. SM posting about Indian politics is like us writing about American politics &#8211; merely curious observations and personal opinions. SM is clearly an American blog with brown hues so why do others confuse them for being Indian is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Alankrita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alankrita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but then again what is an &quot;Indian community&quot;?? Holders of the notoroiously difficult to get Indian passport?
Not gujjus and gultis and punjus and marus and bongs and whatever not?
Explain Indian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but then again what is an &#8220;Indian community&#8221;?? Holders of the notoroiously difficult to get Indian passport?<br />
Not gujjus and gultis and punjus and marus and bongs and whatever not?<br />
Explain Indian.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Confused: Forgot to add.. I too get irritated with some of the ill-informed posts on SM relating to intra/inter-country politics in the South Asian countries. But that&#039;s besides the point!

I also agree with you that Indians (as in Indian citizens, not those with Indian roots) should be careful about being placed in the South Asian category. But Americans of Indian origin are free to put themselves in whatever category they wish. I have no objections to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Confused: Forgot to add.. I too get irritated with some of the ill-informed posts on SM relating to intra/inter-country politics in the South Asian countries. But that&#8217;s besides the point!</p>
<p>I also agree with you that Indians (as in Indian citizens, not those with Indian roots) should be careful about being placed in the South Asian category. But Americans of Indian origin are free to put themselves in whatever category they wish. I have no objections to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Confused: I quite agree with Nitin. He said it upfront that how Americans organize themselves is their business, and India should be concerned only where such an agenda concerns Indian interests. 

The agenda seems to have nothing to do with India or Pakistan or any country - it looks to me like it is about the interests of people (from a certain geographical part of Asia) in the US. That&#039;s why I find the debate about India, Pakistan, South Asia, Common Heritage etc. rather off-topic. The debate over at SM (DBD vs ABCD interests) looks much more relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Confused: I quite agree with Nitin. He said it upfront that how Americans organize themselves is their business, and India should be concerned only where such an agenda concerns Indian interests. </p>
<p>The agenda seems to have nothing to do with India or Pakistan or any country &#8211; it looks to me like it is about the interests of people (from a certain geographical part of Asia) in the US. That&#8217;s why I find the debate about India, Pakistan, South Asia, Common Heritage etc. rather off-topic. The debate over at SM (DBD vs ABCD interests) looks much more relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaurav,

You were absent. Your identity has been stolen. 

Shadows,

:) I don&#039;t think it really makes a difference either way. 

Ms Taggart,

Well, that is a historical question which I am not really that well equipped to answer but broadly.. I have my doubts if ever India and Pakistan shared the same civilization. 

Jyo,

yes. cricket madness is there. But that does not make nations. Unless you are Ram Chandra Guha. :)

Patrix, Vivek, 

I would refer to Nitin&#039;s comment on DP. I think Indians should be careful about being placed in the South Asian straitjacket; it limits their options. And SM&#039;s lack of knowledge about Indian politics doesn&#039;t stop them from posting on it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaurav,</p>
<p>You were absent. Your identity has been stolen. </p>
<p>Shadows,</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t think it really makes a difference either way. </p>
<p>Ms Taggart,</p>
<p>Well, that is a historical question which I am not really that well equipped to answer but broadly.. I have my doubts if ever India and Pakistan shared the same civilization. </p>
<p>Jyo,</p>
<p>yes. cricket madness is there. But that does not make nations. Unless you are Ram Chandra Guha. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Patrix, Vivek, </p>
<p>I would refer to Nitin&#8217;s comment on DP. I think Indians should be careful about being placed in the South Asian straitjacket; it limits their options. And SM&#8217;s lack of knowledge about Indian politics doesn&#8217;t stop them from posting on it. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jyothsnay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jyothsnay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ hordes of pukka Born-in-USA Americans 

Absolutely! if you visit their website, tons of community programmes/cerebral n gala meetings coupled with &quot;heavy schemes like - protection of rights, policies etc&quot;&quot; are laid out....at the first glance, it looks like a 
*
**Pale / or Deep Brown skinned community ( am sorry, let&#039;s face it, that&#039;s how the pink salmons would look at this)....
efforting in to affirm/reaffirm its presence in the American Dream society (forget the fact that 1/3rd of America goes to Wal-Mart, a few may claim they go to TARGET) and nurtures severe ambitions to influence American Politics in a big way....it&#039;s wholly &#039;Outsiders-now-working in the land-attempting to integrate selves with the mainstream culture&quot;...so therefore, what they do, they clean the parks, they raise trees, they attend certain societal issues that are causing nervous breakdown to the American society, while retaining the dress code/behavioral code/accent code/food code that they are originally born with (South Asian or South East Asian ..blah blah)....

simple; BE IN A COCOON, ENJOY THE FAMILIARITY, GET MARRIED WITHIN THE COCOON, RAISE ONE MORE GENERATION, FEEL HURTED WHEN ONE GETS HURT, RAISE VOICES N N N DO SOMETHING ADMIRABLE WORK FOR THE ENVIRONS IN THE COUNTRY THEY PHYSICALLY BELONG TO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ hordes of pukka Born-in-USA Americans </p>
<p>Absolutely! if you visit their website, tons of community programmes/cerebral n gala meetings coupled with &#8220;heavy schemes like &#8211; protection of rights, policies etc&#8221;" are laid out&#8230;.at the first glance, it looks like a<br />
*<br />
**Pale / or Deep Brown skinned community ( am sorry, let&#8217;s face it, that&#8217;s how the pink salmons would look at this)&#8230;.<br />
efforting in to affirm/reaffirm its presence in the American Dream society (forget the fact that 1/3rd of America goes to Wal-Mart, a few may claim they go to TARGET) and nurtures severe ambitions to influence American Politics in a big way&#8230;.it&#8217;s wholly &#8216;Outsiders-now-working in the land-attempting to integrate selves with the mainstream culture&#8221;&#8230;so therefore, what they do, they clean the parks, they raise trees, they attend certain societal issues that are causing nervous breakdown to the American society, while retaining the dress code/behavioral code/accent code/food code that they are originally born with (South Asian or South East Asian ..blah blah)&#8230;.</p>
<p>simple; BE IN A COCOON, ENJOY THE FAMILIARITY, GET MARRIED WITHIN THE COCOON, RAISE ONE MORE GENERATION, FEEL HURTED WHEN ONE GETS HURT, RAISE VOICES N N N DO SOMETHING ADMIRABLE WORK FOR THE ENVIRONS IN THE COUNTRY THEY PHYSICALLY BELONG TO</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gaurav: To be sure, we must concern ourselves with trivial and non-trivial issues (the latter goes without saying, of course). Life would be quite boring otherwise.

I don&#039;t think genetic heritage has any relevance in this context (I am hard-pressed to think of any relevance outside of a medical kind of context). I mentioned it only to refer to your rhetorical question in your previous comment.

As I said, I have no first-hand experience of life in the US, so I really can&#039;t guess what this agenda hopes to accomplish. You might want to head over to Sepia Mutiny where a passionate argument is going on. Apparently, FOBs and ABCDs themselves have a lot of differences. Good luck to them with carrying out a South Asian agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gaurav: To be sure, we must concern ourselves with trivial and non-trivial issues (the latter goes without saying, of course). Life would be quite boring otherwise.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think genetic heritage has any relevance in this context (I am hard-pressed to think of any relevance outside of a medical kind of context). I mentioned it only to refer to your rhetorical question in your previous comment.</p>
<p>As I said, I have no first-hand experience of life in the US, so I really can&#8217;t guess what this agenda hopes to accomplish. You might want to head over to Sepia Mutiny where a passionate argument is going on. Apparently, FOBs and ABCDs themselves have a lot of differences. Good luck to them with carrying out a South Asian agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Vivek clarifies it best. I don&#039;t think SM is invoking the South Asia tag for policy-making in the Indian subcontinent but rather in the American context where the differences might be little between groups. Mind you, SM comprises of individuals who are pukka Born-in-USA Americans and have only an cursory understanding of Indian politics however they wish to leverage their common ethnicity to further their political, social, and economic goals *in* the United States. I&#039;m sure they care less about how many terrorists Pakistan sends to India and how does India respond apart from any generic opinion any individual sufficiently interested in world affairs might have. In that sense, outlining a South Asian *American* agenda makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Vivek clarifies it best. I don&#8217;t think SM is invoking the South Asia tag for policy-making in the Indian subcontinent but rather in the American context where the differences might be little between groups. Mind you, SM comprises of individuals who are pukka Born-in-USA Americans and have only an cursory understanding of Indian politics however they wish to leverage their common ethnicity to further their political, social, and economic goals *in* the United States. I&#8217;m sure they care less about how many terrorists Pakistan sends to India and how does India respond apart from any generic opinion any individual sufficiently interested in world affairs might have. In that sense, outlining a South Asian *American* agenda makes sense.</p>
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