Continuing with our discussion on discrimination, Bong’o'pondit brings to our attention a story from Princeton
Hi Princeton! Remember me?” the parody began. “I so good at math and science. Perfect 2400 SAT score. Ring bells? Just in cases, let me refresh your memories. I the super smart Asian. Princeton the super dumb college, not accept me.” Later, it said: “What is wrong with you no color people? Yellow people make the world go round. We cook greasy food, wash your clothes and let you copy our homework.[link]
This little parody in the Daily Princetonian has outraged a lot of people, nevermind the editor of the newspaper is an Indian-American and the parody was apparently written by an editorial board composed of ethnic Chinese. As the Pondit said, why can’t people take a little joke? If you feel offended, counter it with a joke of your own instead of crying racism everytime! Come on people, have a sense of humor for FSM’s sake!
But my problem with this story is of a different kind.
But some critics, like Mr. Li, the applicant who brought the complaint against Princeton, contend that many colleges, even those with substantial numbers of Asian-American students, deliberately hold down the number of Asian-Americans and that they should have a greater presence given their performance in high school and on standardized tests.Mr. Li, a freshman at Yale, had a perfect 2400 on the SATs, top grades at his high school in Livingston, N.J., numerous Advanced Placement courses, community service in Costa Rica, and high rankings in New Jersey’s math and physics leagues.
Despite such outstanding scores, Mr. Li was rejected by Princeton. He has complained that this smacks of racism and has filed a civil rights complaint.
But hold on a minute,
While Asian-Americans account for 5 percent of the population in the United States, they account for greater numbers at prestigious institutions like Harvard (18 percent), Stanford (24 percent), and the University of California at Berkeley (46 percent). At Princeton, they accounted for 13 percent of undergraduates last year, and make up 14 percent of the current freshman class
Mr. Li and other Asian-Americans are discriminated because Asians have a disproportionate share in top American schools, as the figures above show. Quite naturally, schools who are obsessed with diversity are demanding much higher scores from them then they say- African-Americans.
Frankly, I fail to see the problem. For years, Asian-Americans in general and Indians and Chinese in particular have benefited from the diversity principle. They were accepted despite lower scores and offered generous financial aid. They never complained that such attempts at diversity violates natural justice. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the same principle is being used against then, they are crying racism!
What rubbish!
Quite naturally, since the number of Asian-Americans has increased, the focus of the universities has shifted to other minorities, for example, Hispanics. And why not? Why shouldn’t a rich Indian-American kid be discriminated in favor of a Hispanic kid from an inner city area? Unless of course, the Asian-Americans acknowledge the futility of the trying to make social justice more important than natural justice, equality and fair play. Will they?
Of course not! The problem is two fold-First- Most of such people have faced severe discrimination in their home countries and are still unable to see beyond it. Second-they suffer from a deep sense of entitlement i.e just because they belong to a particular race, they deserve preference and it’s more perverse manifestation-if they are rejected, then it surely is because of racism. Asians, of course, are the paragons of virtue and rest of the world espcially Whites-racist bastards.
This sense of entitlement has severely affected the prospects of African-Americans. The feeling that they would always face discrimination has been so much instilled in their minds that they seem unable to see beyond it. I am not arguing they haven’t faced racism-who can deny slavery, but it has been used by Black leaders to keep themselves in business. I recall a conversation I had with an African-American in New Jersey. He worked in a large American Bank and came from a very poor, largely black neighborhood. He told me how his friends had virtually disowned him-since he wears a suit-they think he has gone over to the other side!
One would think-isn’t that the whole purpose of the Race debate? To make people from races who have faced discrimination cross over to the other side? But to achieve that, one has to give them right message-and I have my doubts if that message is being sent across. All they are being taught is to reject and seek solace in government largesse instead of preparing them to embrace and enventually take over those very institutions which might have discriminated against them. Failure in life has other causes apart from Race, no? A lesson the votaries of social justice in India would do well to remember.
I am not arguing that America is perfect, of course, discrimination and Racism are features of the American society. However, I will still argue that it remains amongst the fairest societies in the world where the only real impediment to one’s success is the limit of one’s ambition.
(Thanks to Bongo’o'pondit for the link and the discussion)
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The only moral and also practical solution is to build a separate nation for each group that identify themselves separately from the others.
R
still have not read ur post in totality…but could not resist self to pitch in at this point:
a)Asian-Americans account for 5% of the USA pop. but they account for double digit % of pop at prestigious institutions….
how can you compare figures when the BASE POPULATIONS are nt comparable?..
Assume for a moment, far fetched as that may be, that private institutions like Princeton, instead of adhering to grand principles like social justice, simply strive for (what they believe is) a class composition that is most beneficial to members of the class. Isn’t it then conceivable that this might not entail filling the class with math whizzes?
Ok ok Confused,
>>> Asians, of course, are the paragons of virtue and rest of the world espcially Whites-racist bastards.
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Ahh, cant make such generalizations, can we?
How to decide, what is racist and what is not? Where is the line dividing racism and jokes. We need to use weightages , stats and measurements.
For starters, going by the numbers, how many Asians are racist, and how many whites are?
Of course, the example here is a joke, but add in a few more vague generalizations, a few derogatory comments, and it becomes racism. What is racist for you is not racist for somebody else?
BTW, how are such generalizations on Chinese, Indians or even Whites made?
And have you ever been typecasted too, whether in India or US. Atleast I have been.
R
I tend to agree wth you.are u not the most sensible lad I have ever come across (ye,a few more I met over here, but let me tuck them in)
Well, the so-classified “parody” is a badly written a note, quite flaccid in its tone. Forgive me, even after having read that twice, I am still not able to fathom the objective behind the effort. It is dry, factual and far away from being a trigger to provoke thought a process. Now getting bitter over this is meaningless an effort for the human system
With the ever increasing oriental presence in the campuses (as I understood from the articles I read), if an educational institution/Elite community adapts certain measures to tone that influence down and encourage other minorities to be part of the mainstream, I ask, what’s wrong with that? I see, this is more an effort to keep the higher-level education as an equalizer in the society where underprivileged aspirants (from other minorities) reap the benefits from the system. Education and knowledge acquisition certainly cannot be the sole privilege of certain group of humanity. To make up for past discrimination, if women and members of minority groups are being given preferential treatment in getting jobs and places in colleges, it’s a well lauded move.
Is there a need for the second generation of a minority group to roll in the benefits/privileges/luxuries contentedly, when their elders/first generation had already benefited from eco-friendly formats? I dnot think so. If it’s required for one to enter these Elite institutions at a much higher performance levels, so be it, do try to achieve it, no harm is done. Thank the US Government n its education system for empowering the natural intelligent genes you inherited from parents. Greed,ah, one of the deadliest sins!
Is it an issue of “fading racism” or “emergence of diversity”? It’s up to the school to achieve a greater racial diversity by learning from its past experiences with “preferential admissions” without disturbing the fabric of intelligence in its campus and enhance the ability among students to work effectively and get along well with people of different races/cultures.
now read ths..
. …. an impressive proportion pursue a graduate education and enter well-paying occupations. African American graduates also become unusually active in civic affairs, playing key leadership roles both in the black community and in the larger society. Indeed, the economic success and social commitment these students owe to their elite education have made them “the backbone of the emergent black and Hispanic middle class.”
*strictly opinion from an individual who never studied abroad
>> He told me how his friends had virtually disowned him-since he wears a suit-they think he has gone over to the other side!
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Maybe America should ship them back to Western Africa.
Maybe we should ship back Muslims to Afghanistan, Pakistan or Arabia.
Hey, I felt the same sentiments, I still do in many and most aspects. When people cry “rascisim” I look around to see “where”.
The point you made about institutes serves well and is solid. Most peopl enow feel the rascist undertones in workplace.
The other day while I was playing tennis there was a squabble between a white woman and a non white man. The non white actually used “rascist” words against the white. The white thus complained to the police about being harassed because she was WHITE. It was a differebt experience.
In all, we have to get out of the box. There are definitely certain places where the rascist regime holds true and progressing under that is extremely difficult.
Confused,
Also have you read Richard Feynmans biography. The image of Princeton he has built seems more like an British type university, where a class system exists and nothing less than the Queens English and table manners would satisfy.
In contrast, he says MIT was much more liberal about such matters. Though there students formed groups (who also preferred to live in rooms closer to each other in the dorms).
While I agree with most of your arguments, there is a case made for lack of opportunity and inherent prejudice which is not easily measured. Anyway, that is a different convo.
In line with your post, I remember seeing a graffiti in a predominant black low-income neighborhood (resisting the urge to call it a ghetto) that said, “Refuse to be Smart”. I couldn’t help shaking my head and smiling.
#Just a minor deviation
Withdrawn ad campaign from SONY “PSP White is coming”
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Barb,
That might be a short term solution…
Bhargav,
Yes, I am only questioning the use of Race to build diversity. And if people accept that, then they should also accept when Asian-Americans are discriminated against. You can’t be a victim for ever.
Shadows,
Please re-read the paragraph. That’s what I
mean-you can’t make generalizations.
No, because it’s their country too.
Jyo,
The problem with social justice is that people are not ready to give it up. They always want to play the victim which I find is wrong. I understand what you are saying, and it can be argued that Blacks deserve affirmative action because of what they have faced. But for how long?
Also, I am against diversity for diversity’s sake. Social justice can’t be allowed to win over natural justice.
Scribblez,
That’s an interesting experience. I would concede that point, that people working face more discrimination than those in universities.
Shadows,
Haven’t read it. Will check it out.
Patrix,
Certainly. But as you said, that’s a different convo.
I am against diversity for diversity’s sake.
I am not so sure. If MIT stops admitting females, a lot of male students may choose to go to Princeton instead.
>> Please re-read the paragraph. That’s what I
mean-you can’t make generalizations.
I was trying to prove the same thing.
Being satirical, its called.
Generalizations come from numbers, how often you see what happens around you. The stronger the numbers, the harder the generalizations.
I never said *all* whites are racist and *all* asians are paragons of virtue. Thats what you stated. Not a generalization, but a *sweeping* generalization.
Now, compare the number of white racists with Asian racists, in ratio of their populations, and you can then come to generalizations. Similarly, compare the number of terrorists amongst muslims, against their population, across the world, and the numbers would reveal a lot.
Now even if we forget the numbers, I just cannot feel allright with the idea that someone might kill you in the name of religion. Damn, if you want to kill, atleast get a good reason to do so……
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I dont think asians in the USA need to complain about anything- they seem to be well represented in academia and there are enough asian entrepreneurs who employ them and give them preferential treatment. If they dont like Princeton, they even have enough money to start their own top university.