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		<title>By: chandni</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-2/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>chandni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I do see the point that u r making...but real life as of now in India is not an RDB...

When I was in Bombay on that fateful day...for days at end I heard abt the &quot;spirit of people&quot;, as if it was something to be celebrated....I agree with u there..abt nothing affecting us anymore...

but look at the uphaar case..people did say put didnt they?? And what have family memebers of those lost been abhe to achieve as of now? how many years back was that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well I do see the point that u r making&#8230;but real life as of now in India is not an RDB&#8230;</p>
<p>When I was in Bombay on that fateful day&#8230;for days at end I heard abt the &#8220;spirit of people&#8221;, as if it was something to be celebrated&#8230;.I agree with u there..abt nothing affecting us anymore&#8230;</p>
<p>but look at the uphaar case..people did say put didnt they?? And what have family memebers of those lost been abhe to achieve as of now? how many years back was that?</p>
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		<title>By: Keshi</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-1/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Keshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe Im sure it was :):)

Keshi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe Im sure it was <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :)</p>
<p>Keshi.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Keshi

Thanks for the 100% report card. Wish my real report cards looked this good.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the 100% report card. Wish my real report cards looked this good.</p>
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		<title>By: Keshi</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Keshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:
thats what I*** believe...

Keshi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:<br />
thats what I*** believe&#8230;</p>
<p>Keshi.</p>
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		<title>By: Keshi</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Keshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An eye-opening post...Spirit of the people has frozen...thats what O believe...cos day in n out ppl hear of death, destruction etc and it&#039;s like they have grown immune to it now...

**Even now four years after the event, Americans have neither forgotten nor forgiven.That is the real spirit.

ur 100% correct..and what u said abt us being the epitome of callousness and hypocrisy, u r again 100% correct. Maybe cos all we care is abt our 4 walls...and thats sad.

Keshi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An eye-opening post&#8230;Spirit of the people has frozen&#8230;thats what O believe&#8230;cos day in n out ppl hear of death, destruction etc and it&#8217;s like they have grown immune to it now&#8230;</p>
<p>**Even now four years after the event, Americans have neither forgotten nor forgiven.That is the real spirit.</p>
<p>ur 100% correct..and what u said abt us being the epitome of callousness and hypocrisy, u r again 100% correct. Maybe cos all we care is abt our 4 walls&#8230;and thats sad.</p>
<p>Keshi.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Resolution,

Its not as simple as you think. Most of targets in bombing are random targets. It can be anyone who can get caught in the crossfire, me, you anyone.

So, w cant says w shut our eyes, and everything will be back to normal.

@Raj

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Resolution,</p>
<p>Its not as simple as you think. Most of targets in bombing are random targets. It can be anyone who can get caught in the crossfire, me, you anyone.</p>
<p>So, w cant says w shut our eyes, and everything will be back to normal.</p>
<p>@Raj</p>
<p>Good point that.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bullet,

Thanks. Glad we agreed on something.

@slam2drop,

I agree it does sound plausible but I am not sure its something to be proud of. Perhaps, this mentality ensured that we&#160;were stuck with the Hindu Rate of growth for 30 years,

West is aggressive because it is a young civilization.

About this turning the other cheek business, is it a sign of morals or of weakness?

Me confused :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bullet,</p>
<p>Thanks. Glad we agreed on something.</p>
<p>@slam2drop,</p>
<p>I agree it does sound plausible but I am not sure its something to be proud of. Perhaps, this mentality ensured that we&nbsp;were stuck with the Hindu Rate of growth for 30 years,</p>
<p>West is aggressive because it is a young civilization.</p>
<p>About this turning the other cheek business, is it a sign of morals or of weakness?</p>
<p>Me confused <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rajbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Resolution
u had ur point, we had ours, nobody&#039;s here to prove anybody wrong instead pick up the positive aspects of everyone&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Resolution<br />
u had ur point, we had ours, nobody&#8217;s here to prove anybody wrong instead pick up the positive aspects of everyone&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Resolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Resolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rajbir and Confused Dudes 

I agree that this might be the menatality.... and I was thinking that all along..that they just want chaos and want people to sit up and take notice...But having lived  in this world for 26 years and read the &quot;flip side&quot; of all events long after they had happened, I cannot but come to the conclusion there are selfish purposes and personal demands and hidden agendas that everyone wants a solution for....

I can&#039;t prove I&#039;m right, it&#039;s pretty hard to be be proved wrong too!

&quot;Although I would expect strong reactions to this remark, think about it…&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rajbir and Confused Dudes </p>
<p>I agree that this might be the menatality&#8230;. and I was thinking that all along..that they just want chaos and want people to sit up and take notice&#8230;But having lived  in this world for 26 years and read the &#8220;flip side&#8221; of all events long after they had happened, I cannot but come to the conclusion there are selfish purposes and personal demands and hidden agendas that everyone wants a solution for&#8230;.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t prove I&#8217;m right, it&#8217;s pretty hard to be be proved wrong too!</p>
<p>&#8220;Although I would expect strong reactions to this remark, think about it…&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: slam2drop</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether it has got anything to do with the idea of karma in hinduism. 

You know move on, let go, their time will come. And plus, it is the kali yuga, where evil things are bound to increase. So maybe to move on, is the best way to show them we are not afraid; that they  are insignificant, and this would probably infuriate the evil doers etc etc.


Whereas the west has always been agressive, taking what they want. Maybe they are not programmed to bide their time and turn the other cheek, so when devestation occurs, they are unable to move on. 

This would probably be a pretty good explanation :P minus the fact that we have blasted politcians who meddle and try to extort whatever they can :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether it has got anything to do with the idea of karma in hinduism. </p>
<p>You know move on, let go, their time will come. And plus, it is the kali yuga, where evil things are bound to increase. So maybe to move on, is the best way to show them we are not afraid; that they  are insignificant, and this would probably infuriate the evil doers etc etc.</p>
<p>Whereas the west has always been agressive, taking what they want. Maybe they are not programmed to bide their time and turn the other cheek, so when devestation occurs, they are unable to move on. </p>
<p>This would probably be a pretty good explanation <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  minus the fact that we have blasted politcians who meddle and try to extort whatever they can :S</p>
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		<title>By: southpaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God damn it the entire reply got screwed up, i&#039;ll come up with it again laters...</description>
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		<title>By: southpaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Resolution
u still don&#039;t seem to understand a terrorist&#039;s mentality. Gone r those days when revolutions used to take place for a moral cause, what we see now is a business. And the message they carry is simple, if u don&#039;t comply with our reasons we&#039;ll keep multiplying the casualties.

@Rohit
Why do we hv short memories? coz it suits our circumstances. I&#039;ll give u one example which i heard myself in Gandhidham, Kutch a few months back.
Everyone&#039;s aware of the devastating earthquake which rocked Kutch in 2001, crores of rupees poured in from various organisations and individuals, yet hardly the ppl who were affected recieved the deserved financial help, infact u can still find ppl living in tents coz they still haven&#039;t managed to earn enough to get a proper living place, i&#039;ll repeat again this happened in 2001 and its 2006. When i asked one of such family why dont they fight against the authority and obtained what was meant for them, their reply was,&quot;AAPDE THODI BHIKHARI CHHIYE KE E LOKO JE APE, JEM AAPE EM LAI LEVANU, AMARU MAKAN JYAARE PADYU ENI KIMMAT 7 LAKH RUPIYA HATI ANE ENI SAME E LOKO FAKT 3O HAJAR RUPIYA APSE, ENA KARTA TO TAMBU MAJ REHVU SARU&quot; It means We r not beggars that we will take whatever they feel like giving us, when our house got destroyed it was valued around 7 lacs while these ppl r offering only 30K, so its better to live in this freaking tent untill we manage our own place again. 
Rehabilitation there happened successfully only where individual doners took personal interest and made the things happen infront of their own eyes there, otherwise rest of them either stay in rented places which they acquired from the 30k paid by the authorities or those disheartening tents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Resolution<br />
u still don&#8217;t seem to understand a terrorist&#8217;s mentality. Gone r those days when revolutions used to take place for a moral cause, what we see now is a business. And the message they carry is simple, if u don&#8217;t comply with our reasons we&#8217;ll keep multiplying the casualties.</p>
<p>@Rohit<br />
Why do we hv short memories? coz it suits our circumstances. I&#8217;ll give u one example which i heard myself in Gandhidham, Kutch a few months back.<br />
Everyone&#8217;s aware of the devastating earthquake which rocked Kutch in 2001, crores of rupees poured in from various organisations and individuals, yet hardly the ppl who were affected recieved the deserved financial help, infact u can still find ppl living in tents coz they still haven&#8217;t managed to earn enough to get a proper living place, i&#8217;ll repeat again this happened in 2001 and its 2006. When i asked one of such family why dont they fight against the authority and obtained what was meant for them, their reply was,&#8221;AAPDE THODI BHIKHARI CHHIYE KE E LOKO JE APE, JEM AAPE EM LAI LEVANU, AMARU MAKAN JYAARE PADYU ENI KIMMAT 7 LAKH RUPIYA HATI ANE ENI SAME E LOKO FAKT 3O HAJAR RUPIYA APSE, ENA KARTA TO TAMBU MAJ REHVU SARU&#8221; It means We r not beggars that we will take whatever they feel like giving us, when our house got destroyed it was valued around 7 lacs while these ppl r offering only 30K, so its better to live in this freaking tent untill we manage our own place again.<br />
Rehabilitation there happened successfully only where individual doners took personal interest and made the things happen infront of their own eyes there, otherwise rest of them either stay in rented places which they acquired from the 30k paid by the authorities or those disheartening tents.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Resolution

I thought about what you said and I completely and respectfully disagree.

 The purpose of the terrorist is to achieve certain goals. We might find thir motivations stupid but that dont. They have a cause to espouse. Now if we simply stop caring about what they did, they would simply up the ante. If killing ten people does not achieve the desired result, they will kill 20. No?

What you are saying is the same as claiming that if we stopped caring about Earthquakes, they will stop.  The terrorists are as intractable to our reasoning as mother Earth is. 

@Rajbir,

Agree. But that is what this rant was all about? Why do we have short memories? Because we feel nothing is going to change. If we feel nothing is going to change-nothing probably will.

It is just a vicious circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Resolution</p>
<p>I thought about what you said and I completely and respectfully disagree.</p>
<p> The purpose of the terrorist is to achieve certain goals. We might find thir motivations stupid but that dont. They have a cause to espouse. Now if we simply stop caring about what they did, they would simply up the ante. If killing ten people does not achieve the desired result, they will kill 20. No?</p>
<p>What you are saying is the same as claiming that if we stopped caring about Earthquakes, they will stop.  The terrorists are as intractable to our reasoning as mother Earth is. </p>
<p>@Rajbir,</p>
<p>Agree. But that is what this rant was all about? Why do we have short memories? Because we feel nothing is going to change. If we feel nothing is going to change-nothing probably will.</p>
<p>It is just a vicious circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Resolution</title>
		<link>http://retributions.wordpress.com/2006/04/15/the-spirit-of/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Resolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rajbir

Agreed yaar, but do you and I know what these guys were after when they target a Masjid or a temple or whatever....I mean we talking about political motivation, the public at large do not know why they are being terrorized...a message has been sent out by the terrorists (assuming they have a message of course!) and assuming the receiver has heard that message...why should I come in between? you knock each other out, why bring me in between and ask me to react? You get hurt, bad karma...you hurt other bad karma will get you, don&#039;t bring me into it. When you&#039;re 10 and you&#039;re beating your neighbours kid up, your mom stops you and tell you it&#039;s bad...when your 30 if you&#039;re gonna be doing the same thing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rajbir</p>
<p>Agreed yaar, but do you and I know what these guys were after when they target a Masjid or a temple or whatever&#8230;.I mean we talking about political motivation, the public at large do not know why they are being terrorized&#8230;a message has been sent out by the terrorists (assuming they have a message of course!) and assuming the receiver has heard that message&#8230;why should I come in between? you knock each other out, why bring me in between and ask me to react? You get hurt, bad karma&#8230;you hurt other bad karma will get you, don&#8217;t bring me into it. When you&#8217;re 10 and you&#8217;re beating your neighbours kid up, your mom stops you and tell you it&#8217;s bad&#8230;when your 30 if you&#8217;re gonna be doing the same thing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I m cool....***If we dont take a stand, who will care? ***like i said i live in a country where ppl hv really short memory. The only way u deal with the so-called voice of the suppressed is to bring that same war and terror in their own backyards and make them feel the same brutality which they inflict on the general population from time to time and make an example to the upcoming breed so that they think ten times before even thinking of something like that.

@Resolution

I would personally think that this (being callous/insensitive/unmoved) kind of reaction would eventually make terrorists realise that they need to start targeting specific individuals to meet their cause/demands rather than target the general population. ***Alright, this thought surely saves the general population,but it is the general public who needs to do something about that specific individual collectively since they r the ones responsible behind most of the deeds of that specific individual, as far as the terrorist the so-called  voice of the suppressed ones, the only thing they need to do is to save their own arses coz one day they got to eat and breath metal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I m cool&#8230;.***If we dont take a stand, who will care? ***like i said i live in a country where ppl hv really short memory. The only way u deal with the so-called voice of the suppressed is to bring that same war and terror in their own backyards and make them feel the same brutality which they inflict on the general population from time to time and make an example to the upcoming breed so that they think ten times before even thinking of something like that.</p>
<p>@Resolution</p>
<p>I would personally think that this (being callous/insensitive/unmoved) kind of reaction would eventually make terrorists realise that they need to start targeting specific individuals to meet their cause/demands rather than target the general population. ***Alright, this thought surely saves the general population,but it is the general public who needs to do something about that specific individual collectively since they r the ones responsible behind most of the deeds of that specific individual, as far as the terrorist the so-called  voice of the suppressed ones, the only thing they need to do is to save their own arses coz one day they got to eat and breath metal.</p>
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